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A new recruit has brought me an interesting question. Would it be possible to have a dag legal staff... kinda like a double blue as i saw nothing that doesn't immediately rule it out.

4.1.11.8 - Double-ended weapons such as quarter staves are always considered to be blue weapons.
4.2.5 - Double-ended Weapons
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4.2.5.1 - Double-ended weapons must not be more than 7 feet long.

4.2.5.2 - Double-ended weapons must have a minimum of 18 inches in length of a cylindrically padded striking surface on each end.

4.2.5.3 - Both ends must pass as green or neither end will pass as green.

they are allowed

I think he means in the Templar. Kinda like going for a pilgrim character.

oh, yeah if you mean a person in the Templar with that kind of weapon, i couldn't answer that question.

Personally I'd tell him to make a one edged glaive as his weapon of choice. If he is going for a pilgrim a pole arm is essentially a staff with a blade attached. It's also much more apropriate for a poor person going into a warzone.

If he wants to do it just to see how it works let him do it, worse that will happen is that he cuts it in half and has two clubs.

Staff - No

Glaive - Yes

Overall, staffs are completely useless, especially the way the Templar fight. He can make one for pick-up fights and sparring but when the Templar are fighting together is a big battle, we need spears, shields, glaives, and archers. Having a staff just wouldn't help.

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he wanted to also see if it was possible to have a pitch fork like weapon but i think ill just tell him to go with a glaive as thats easier for me to help build.

I don't think a pitch fork would be legal, except as an oddly shaped blade, maybe

lol, you could make a rectangular spear head and draw a pitch fork on it.

yeah, pitch forks are not allowed due to the fact that there are no current ways to make it properly without hitting too hard and from the ends from breaking off, and also because it is likely to catch a limb, which is a big no. i would just tell him to stick with the basic and easy weapons that there are tons of tutorials for. he will most likely mess up on even making a standard sword(i STILL do, and i am trying to work on that lol).

I'm pretty sure he's going for the poor farmer/pilgrim type, he also wants to use something unique I'm guessing. You may wish to remind him that making a good decent looking weapon is far more unique than a one of a kind fail pile magnet.

Send him here and we'll talk to him about some good historical choices.

My thoughts exactly.

Ill prolly bring him to the catonsville practice and havea a chat with him and fw as he doesnt have a pc currently.

At Badon Hill I saw a decent-looking trident (basically a pitchfork) at weapons testing. Whether it passed or failed i don't know- I only saw it and thought it looked cool.

I think that the pitchfork failed. It might not have been because it was a pitchfork. there was all sorts of problems with it.

after 2 tries we're abandoning the pitchfork idea as its not going to be legal so itll just end up being a spear also if snyone has a copy of the ragnarok dvd that i could borrow i would appreciate it.

I got a copy. Will I be be seeing you at the Jan 30th battle?

Well that's conflicting...

Really it just means that a double-ended weapon is never counted as a red weapon, and it may or may not have stabbing tips, but if it does both ends need to be stabbing.

a weapon can be both blue and green, or red and green, but never red and blue (unless you count one handed red as blue...)

AH. Kaykay, that's all good. I had the image of what a double ended weapon would look like messed up in the first place.

This thread is a bit old already but I never properly addressed it so I'll say a couple general things. When people are new to Dagorhir, the temptation is large to make a weapons that is novel and unique. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. You will hear a lot of nay sayers and usually they're correct. That being said, it's fine to build strange and interesting weapons eventually, but only after you can successfully build weapons that are tried and true and even have working guides/directions. Kind of like how its better to try and make your own recipe after you can demonstrate that you can follow the directions to make a standard minestrone soup. I use minestrone soup as an example because Olive Garden does it wonderfully well and I'm pretty sure its based on a tried and true recipe.

Funny, I spelled minestrone wrong earlier and the spell check's first suggestion was odd.